VERIFICATION OF SUSANNA FULLER WHITE WINSLOW OF MAYFLOWER PASSAGE TO AMERICA 1620
VIA JEREBY BANGS, MUSEUM DIRECTOR, LEIDEN AMERICAN PILGRIM MUSEUM
MF 13 (1995) on the Family of William White, argues against
Susanna being Fuller.
However, based upon more recent research (esp. of the Leiden, Holland records)
by Dr. Jeremy Bangs, Museum director of the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum, indications
to me are that Susanna was in-fact likely the daughter of Robert Fuller of
Redenhall, England.
See the article, January 2000 - [NEHGR 154:109-118] - In this issue, Jeremy
Dupertuis Bangs, Director, Leiden American Pilgrim Museum, reintroduces the
issue of the identity of Edward Winslows second wife in an article entitled
'Notes From Leiden: Another look at the identity of Edward Winslow's wife,
Susanna (?Fuller) White.' In particular he examines the Leiden records, their
translation and conclusions drawn by Robert M. Sherman and Ruth Wilder Sherman
(MF Vol 1, 1975) of research carried out in their behalf by Dr. B. N. Leverland
in 1971 and repeated recently in The Great Migration Begins p.1980 (William
White), p.2025 (Edward Winslow).
In brief, Bangs provides additional translation interpretations, discusses the
two William Whites residing in Leiden, the age discrepancy between the Ann
Fuller and Edward Winslow, as well as other perplexities, and suggests the
conclusion that 'there is no conclusive evidence against the Dexters' [Henry
M.and M. Dexter, The England and Holland of the Pilgrims] identification of
Susanna White Winslow with Anna (Fuller) White.
Several objections have been raised:
1. The Bangs article answers the major questions, including the matter of
Samuel Fuller's sister, Anna Fuller, being considered too old in 1621 to have
married twenty-five-year-old Edward Winslow. Bangs argues that this concern
"may be set aside as a reflection of twentieth-century attitudes, not taking
into account the circumstances of the many deaths in Plymouth in the first
winter and the apparent custom in the colony of rapid remarriage as a way to
ensure continued care for women and children.."
2. The will of Robert Fuller is dated 19 May 1613, proved 31 May 1614. It
names, among others, "to daughter Ann Fuller, twenty pounds." In
Leiden, William White and Ann Fuller were betrothed on 27 Jan 1612 and married
on 11 Feb 1612. Robert Fuller's will named her Ann "Fuller." Perhaps
the most logical answer would be that Robert White dictated his will to a
cleric and named his son Samuel and daughters Anna and Elizabeth. Several
logical answers are possible - The recorder may well have added the family name
for clarity - not knowing Anna had married in the Netherlands; It's also
possible that the modern habits of name change weren't in such rigid form yet.
The article answers other important questions as well.
The strongest, if not irrefutable, proof that Susanna was in-fact, Anna Fuller,
is taken from the Bangs article which says that the Leiden records contain...
1. The betrothal of "Willem With" (i.e. William White), woolcomber,
bachelor, from England, with "En Foller" (i.e. Ann Fuller), spinster,
from England, on 27 Jan 1612. He was accompanied by "Willem Jopson"
(i.e. William Jepson) and "Samuel Folle" (i.e. Samuel Fuller),
identitfied as "zijn bekende" (his acquaintances(s)); she was
accompanied by "Rosemen Jepson" (i.e. Rosamond Jepson) and "Sara
Pryst" (i.e. Sarah Priest), identified as "haer bekende" (her
acquaintance(s)).
2. The betrothal on 15 Mar 1613, of Samuel Fuller (spelled correctly this
time), identified as "saeywercker van Londen" (serge worker from
London) and widower of "Els Glaescoock" (i.e. Alice or Elizabeth
Glasscock), with "Agnijes Carpenter" (i.e. Agnes Carpenter), spinster
from "Wrenton" (Wrington) in England. Samuel Fuller was accompanied
by Alexander Carpenter (spelled correctly), "Willem Hoyt zijn zwager"
(i.e. William Hoyt or White, his brother-in-law), "Rogier Wilsum"
(i.e. Roger Wilson), and "Eduwaert Saetwoot" (i.e. Edward
Southworth); Agnes Carpenter was accompanied by "Agnijs Weyt (i.e. Agnes
White) and "Els Carpenter haer zuster (i.e. Alice or Elizabeth Carpenter
her sister). That "Willem Hoyt" can be rendered as William White is a
recognition of the problem of phoenetic spelling attempts; this rendering was
given by H. M. and M. Dexter but not by E. Arber. "Hoyt" sounds very
close to "White"; another attempt to spell the same sound is seen in
"Weyt" in the same document. This second attempt indicates strongly
that the name White is being attempted. Neither of these spellings recurs in
the Leiden records in this period for betrothals, baptisms, or burials...
Therefore, Bangs says..."that William White could be described as Samuel
Fuller's brother-in-law is possible (as he is in this document, granting that
Hoyt is White) is possible only if Ann Fuller, who had married William White,
was Samuel Fuller's sister. This is the documentary origin of the opinion that
Susanna White was Samuel Fuller's sister, an identification first made by the
Dexters [in The England and Holland of the Pilgrims]. As noticed above, at the
time of William White's own marriage, Samuel Fuller was not yet his
brother-in-law, being identified merely as his acquaintance. (The clerk was
evidently quite precise in registering such identifications of relationships;
this cannot be explained away as a clerical oversight)" [end].
The article by Dr. Bangs has therefore established from the Leiden records
that:
1. Anna can also be Susanna.
2. An Ann Fuller m. a William White (with a Samuel Fuller was an acquaintance).
3. Samuel Fuller had a sister who was m. to a William White, by the time Samuel
married.
4. Various other interactions among those people in Holland.
With this context, what are the chances that The Mayflower passenger list would
then include a Samuel Fuller (3rd wife Bridget Lee came later on the Anne), and
that William and Susanna (and Resolved) White, would NOT BE THE SAME PEOPLE?
And further from Dr. Bangs,
"...and just how many William Whites are we supposed to believe belonged
to the Pilgrim congregation? The evidence is not just that there were at least
two in Leiden, but that they were also both in the congregation. Now if one of
them (the one who does not appear in Leiden after 1620) was not the Mayflower
passenger, we would have to suppose that a third William White joined the group
from England and became a member of the Plymouth congregation later. And again
how many different Fuller families are there [in Leiden] ?..."
In
conclusion, while more research of the Fuller family might assist in
confirmation, it is my opinion that until any new unanswerable questions
against arise, the burden should be to disprove this Fuller/White connection.
James R.
Hancock
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